Are they tanking? Seems odd that they do not appear to be putting any effort into winning considering they do not have their own picks.

What's more odd is the guy that has Pitt's number 1 this year has Pitt's 1 and 2 picks for the next three seasons. This seems awfully fishy. Is everyone OK with this? I know I just joined this league, but this doesn't look legit at all.

It does seem a bit odd at that. Hopefully the moderators are keeping an eye out. I guess if it's two friends you can't really stop them from doing this if that's what it is.

I can't stop it, but I don't have to play in a league that is obviously rigged either.

Trust me there was a good deal of complaint about this and in the end JDB decided not to reverse the trade. I think we all knew when the deal went down that it was very heavily in the direction of Chicago. Basically Chicago gets to move up from near last to 1st(or at least the top 5) in the 1st and 2nd rounds the next 3 seasons at the cost of a 3rd, 4th, and 5th round pick...

https://mfn2.myfootballnow.com/forums/thread/1/640?page=1

Makes it very hard for my team to gain traction, but I trust Bling and JDB - kudos to Da Bears, bad news for the Cheese heads.

I trust he knew he was taking big time advantage of Pitt lol. That's not to say I haven't had my trades that were clearly in my favor but I don't think I've pulled off a heist at quite this level.

Well I was the one who started the broo haa over the trade and I tried to do it in a way by not calling anyone a cheater especially KOB because I think he has earned the level not to be called that because he is a very, very good mgr. I also think JDB has put to much work onto his game and would not let cheating go on so I also respect that he did look into it and made his decision. Pit I don’t believe has ever posted on the msg board so I just go with he really doesn’t understand the game and just how competitive and difficult this league is. [ not for beginners] I would just like to think that the more experienced mgrs. here would look out for the best interest of this league and not take advantage of the newer folks. There was a post on the main board about Morbid once and think that is how we all should be. Sooo, that being said, it is what it is and as Clint Eastwood once said “adapt and overcome”

I realize that I'm new to the league, but you have to see it from my point of view. I join a new league, I know I need to rebuild, so I look for who has the number 1 pick so that I can negotiate picks and players to move up. (I assume that the dumpster fire I picked up is drafting in the top 5, but I don't know how all the 3-13 spots are going to work out.)

But the team that has the 1-1 doesn't own it. Then I realize that the teams that owns this year's 1-1 and 2-1 also owns the 1st and 2nd of the same terrible team for the next two seasons. Then I start digging through the league trades and that terrible team that traded their 1st and 2nd rounders away has traded with three teams since the owner that traded the picks joined the league and has only traded with one team more than once -- the same one that owns the 1-1 and 2-1 this season. The other trades made at least seem reasonable although Indy's WR was not worth enough in exchange value for that trade. The trade Pitt made with New York was a wash. So that leaves three heavily lopsided trades with one team that, by the way, has won the last three championships.

As a new player in a league, that doesn't speak of competitiveness. That screams of rigging. But call it what you will.

Well, just keep this in mind. There are some very good mgrs. in this league. [and not a lot of turnover] Those trades and some others [if folks pay attention] do set the market. So going forward, I would say trading should become more difficult. In other words IMO a second tier QB is now worth 2 first round picks and something else added at a minimum. It will be interesting this offseason. [ keep in mind if you make a bad trade a few of us here will let you know about it. [We are a small but vocal group] :) By the way welcome to the big leagues I started off here 0-34. When the Browns make 8-8 someday, there will be a hangover the next day!