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Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
6/21/2016 8:04 pm
New York sends:
2027 Round 1 Selection 2
2028 Round 3
2028 Round 6
2029 Round 5

Seattle sends:
Jonathan Flynn (WLB)
2027 Round 1 Selection 5 (Seattle)
2027 Round 2 Selection 4 (Seattle)
2027 Round 3 Selection 3 (Seattle)


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Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By Nicko
6/21/2016 10:07 pm
Wow Seattle, that's a lot to give up... just to move up 3 spots in the 1st round.

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By setherick
6/21/2016 10:14 pm
Nicko wrote:
Wow Seattle, that's a lot to give up... just to move up 3 spots in the 1st round.


With only two players worth drafting in the first round, it's a gamble that was worth doing.

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By Nicko
6/21/2016 10:30 pm
setherick wrote:
With only two players worth drafting in the first round, it's a gamble that was worth doing.


I dunno what your player weights are set to, but this first round looks very good. At the 5th overall pick, I can guarantee there would of been many great players to choose from.

Essentially, you're giving up a first round pick and a second round pick, to move up 3 spots and gain a fifth and sixth round pick.
Last edited at 6/21/2016 10:36 pm

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By setherick
6/21/2016 10:57 pm
Nicko wrote:
setherick wrote:
With only two players worth drafting in the first round, it's a gamble that was worth doing.


I dunno what your player weights are set to, but this first round looks very good. At the 5th overall pick, I can guarantee there would of been many great players to choose from.

Essentially, you're giving up a first round pick and a second round pick, to move up 3 spots and gain a fifth and sixth round pick.


There are many good players in the first round, but only two that stand out as game breakers. So if I had an established team, I wouldn't have traded out of the spot, but since I'm in a full rebuild, I need to get a player to jump start my team. This is analogous to the Redskins gambling on RG3. I'm not going to get a game breaker at 5, and I'm not even going to pretend to be sad about moving out of that spot.

Swapping my 3rd this year for a 3rd next year allows me the flexibility of rebuilding the middle of my roster next season after putting together a core from existing players, FA, and whoever I can find in the draft.

Like I said, it's a gamble, but I've played the game enough to know that it's a gamble that works more times than it fails.

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By lellow2011
6/22/2016 6:01 am
setherick wrote:
Nicko wrote:
Wow Seattle, that's a lot to give up... just to move up 3 spots in the 1st round.


With only two players worth drafting in the first round, it's a gamble that was worth doing.


LOL, there are quite a few impact players to be had in at least the top 5 if not the top 10 of this draft.

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By setherick
6/22/2016 6:23 am
lellow2011 wrote:
setherick wrote:
Nicko wrote:
Wow Seattle, that's a lot to give up... just to move up 3 spots in the 1st round.


With only two players worth drafting in the first round, it's a gamble that was worth doing.


LOL, there are quite a few impact players to be had in at least the top 5 if not the top 10 of this draft.


I can't disagree with this enough. With the current incarnation of the code, there are only a few game breaker positions that are worth drafting in the top 5:

1) Running back
2) Defensive end
3) Cornerback / Strong Safety

I didn't really need a DE, who I think will go with the third pick.

And there are no CB/SS combos worth staying at 5 for. I'm beginning to question the overall value of CB/SS. I burnt through a lot of picks in 19 to draft one of the best secondaries in the league, and I'm torn on how effective it is versus other leagues I play in with average secondaries.

Currently, a great RB will destroy most opponents because of how overpowered break tackle is and a great DE will destroy most offensive lines. All other positions can be filled by any average Joe.

Why can you ignore the other positions? QBs are hamstrung by the code, so if you can find a QB with one or two excellent attributes, then he'll be as good as the best overall QB in the league. WRs only need a few key attributes to be effective. LBs are underpowered in the code so a LB with good SP, run defense, and tackling is going to be just as good as a 95+ LB. And DTs got seriously nerfed when JDB changed how their speed got generated. Now, all DTs are basically space eaters, so there is not a lot of difference between your elite DTs and your mid-round DTs with good ST, AC, and decent run/pass defense.

So back to your point. You're completely wrong about impact players in the top 5. There are a lot of great players on paper, but will never live up to their "potential" because of code.

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By Rotor
6/22/2016 6:31 am
There are a lot of great players on paper, but will never live up to their "potential" because of code.

Sad but I feel more and more like it's true.

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By lellow2011
6/22/2016 7:14 am
setherick wrote:
lellow2011 wrote:
setherick wrote:
Nicko wrote:
Wow Seattle, that's a lot to give up... just to move up 3 spots in the 1st round.


With only two players worth drafting in the first round, it's a gamble that was worth doing.


LOL, there are quite a few impact players to be had in at least the top 5 if not the top 10 of this draft.


I can't disagree with this enough. With the current incarnation of the code, there are only a few game breaker positions that are worth drafting in the top 5:

1) Running back
2) Defensive end
3) Cornerback / Strong Safety

I didn't really need a DE, who I think will go with the third pick.

And there are no CB/SS combos worth staying at 5 for. I'm beginning to question the overall value of CB/SS. I burnt through a lot of picks in 19 to draft one of the best secondaries in the league, and I'm torn on how effective it is versus other leagues I play in with average secondaries.

Currently, a great RB will destroy most opponents because of how overpowered break tackle is and a great DE will destroy most offensive lines. All other positions can be filled by any average Joe.

Why can you ignore the other positions? QBs are hamstrung by the code, so if you can find a QB with one or two excellent attributes, then he'll be as good as the best overall QB in the league. WRs only need a few key attributes to be effective. LBs are underpowered in the code so a LB with good SP, run defense, and tackling is going to be just as good as a 95+ LB. And DTs got seriously nerfed when JDB changed how their speed got generated. Now, all DTs are basically space eaters, so there is not a lot of difference between your elite DTs and your mid-round DTs with good ST, AC, and decent run/pass defense.

So back to your point. You're completely wrong about impact players in the top 5. There are a lot of great players on paper, but will never live up to their "potential" because of code.


DEs can put up insane stats with nothing more than speed, WRs I am somewhat torn on. Lighter LBers can be converted to safeties and be at the right weight in a season or two. You don't need a 99 RB to get good production on the ground (which you already know). Heck you can even move LBers to DE if they are tall enough and heavy enough.

Re: Completed Trade: New York and Seattle

By setherick
6/22/2016 7:30 am
I've gotten good production with mediocre backs. I figure that I can do a lot better with an elite back.